ISOC - Collaborative Leadership Exchange Morning Session
05 December 2016 - A Pre-event on in Guadalajara,Mexico
>> MODERATOR CHRIS: Okay. Good morning. My name is Chris. You want to see yourself on TV? Yeah. Everybody wave. Yeah. I think they'll raise the volume if they can. So a few things. What are we seeing here?
>> Democratic diversity.
>> What other kind of diversity?
>> MODERATOR CHRIS: What else?
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>> MODERATOR CHRIS: Height diversity. Multi‑cultural. Do you feel a sense of solidarity?
>> MODERATOR CHRIS: Why are some of you in the room? What's your motivation for being here today? Anyone? Raise your hand? Why are you here today?
>> For the forum.
>> MODERATOR CHRIS: What do you want to do today? What do you hope today looks like?
Oh, not here. We'll show you a difference. What we're going to do together is do the unconference model. There will no panelists. You will have to hear me a little bit, but not much. This day is all about small groups of people talking on about topics that you care about where you can share challenges but specifically you're going to share ideas and solutions in tips and tactics.
Today is a day to help you rethink how you do your work and make connections with people who are also working on similar issues. You are all experts. Everyone regardless of your experience and age, you have a perspective that's needed and desired in this room.
So the goal today is to make sure every single person is speaking in every group, and we're all bringing our best ideas to the conversation. Does that make sense? Does that sound fun?
>> MODERATOR CHRIS: Yeah. Are you Donald with panels? We'll see how you go. You have a week of them. But the other thing why we do this on day zero of the gathering is we hope you meet allies that you can build relationships with over the week. We want you to find people. This is the time to be very selfish.
If you see someone who is doing something interesting or working smart, you want to meet them, have lunch with them, have coffee. This is also a time to strategize how you make the most out of the IGF. Think about who do you want to talk with? How do you want to interact to make this the best experience for you? Make sense? Okay.
Everyone take a deep breath. Roll your shoulders back, oh, yeah, up on your tippy toes. Up, up, up, up. Shake it down. All right. Another deep breath. Okay. I want you to rub your ears. Today is a day of listening more than speaking. I want you to get the blood flow in there. Do you feel it?
Now, if you're someone who typically always has something to say, you're always ready. You have an idea. You're always ‑‑ oh, I know something. I got an idea. I want you to raise your hand for me. I'm the only one? Thank you. Thank you. Okay. First thing, we love you. We really do.
But what I want to make sure we do today is invite you to take three deep breaths before you speak. All right? Now, if you're someone that likes to really think, take your time, make sure you have just what you want to say and then you speak, you take a lot more time, raise your hand, please. Yeah. Awesome. We love you. But we really need you.
In these conversations we have, they're not three‑hour long conversations. They're going to be around 45 minutes long. So what we want you to do today is to take a deep breath and move in to that conversation earlier than you might usually. Will we support everybody as they find their way to participate today?
>> MODERATOR CHRIS: Okay. Good. It's going to be fun. What do you observe about this room?
>> MODERATOR CHRIS: It's like a lecture hall and only one door. Emergencies, flight attendant here. So it's bright. One of the things that's going to be challenging today is we're going to do small group meetings in an auditorium. Now, the beauty of that is when you meet, we're going to see who really needs to sit, and you're going to take a seat.
Who would like to stand is going to stand in the other row. So you're going to have a row of four to six people sitting down, and then the next row you have people standing. You can switch if you need. Does that make sense? So the idea is small circles. We're going to try to make magic here by making this an open circle seating area. We can do it. It's going to be okay.
Okay. I had a notebook. But I might not need it. A couple quick questions. Thank you. Very kind. All right. Everybody take a deep breath. Yeah, roll those shoulders back. Uh‑huh. We're going to do one of the biggest challenges, but it's very important. What I want you to do is I want you to say your name we're on the board of directors of this organization and also volunteers. No.
Maybe something like I come from the United States. Maybe longer if you need, but please, we're many. We're many. We want to hear your voice. We want to hear your name, and we want to hear where you're coming from and the one issue that you really want to talk about today. Can I get an example? Can I get a volunteer to share? Yeah.
>> Gender issues.
>> MODERATOR CHRIS: Gender issues. What's another example?
>> Digital policy for youth.
>> MODERATOR CHRIS: You got it? Two to three words. This is a time to look at the people, and if they're talking about something you're also interested in, make note. That might be your coffee partner, okay? So just quickly your name, where you're coming from, and then the issue that really you got to talk about today for today to be successful. Are we ready? All right. Can I get a volunteer to start?
>> FRED: Hi. Fred from Hong Kong. The impacts of communication.
>> ANDRE: Andre. From Serbia and I'll be talking about cyber security today.
>> SHANNON: Shannon from Argentina. Gender issues and privacy issues.
>> ADRIAN: Hi, I'm Adrian, and I'm also from Hong Kong and care about cyber security among other things.
>> Ladies first.
>> Hi. I'm coming from Ghana, and I'll be talking about youth issues.
>> I care about privacy and data protection.
>> From Turkey, freedom of speech and expression.
>> ANYA: Name is Anya and I come from Russia and I want to talk about computer connectivity today.
>> I m from the Dominican Republic and youth issues and human rights on the net.
>> Gender issues and digital divide.
>> I'm from the Dominican Republic, and the Internet.
>> LAURA GONZALEZ: Laura Gonzalez from Colombia and I would like to speak about net neutrality.
>> Hello everyone. I’m from Beijing China. The thing I care about the using moment in IGF.
>> I care about youth gender issues.
>> CARLOS: Hi, I’m Carlos. I live here, and I'm interested in freedom of speech and cyber security.
>> GRAYSON: I'm Grayson from the U.S., and I'm interested in civil liberties in the Internet and big data as a social good.
>> Hi. Identity digital.
>> JAN: Hi, I'm Jan from Hong Kong. I care about youth and gender.
>> SIMON: Hey, I'm Simon from Colombia, and I'm interested to talk about at share economy and net neutrality.
>> ABRAHAM: My name is Abraham from El Salvador, and my interest is civil security.
>> LAWRENCE: My name is Lawrence from Kenya. I want to talk about having an open and secure cyberspace.
>> JUAN: Hello. I'm Juan. I'm interested in connectivity.
>> Hi. I'm from Nairobi, Kenya. Interested in cyber security and youth and gender issues.
>> GLORIA: I'm Gloria from Panama, and I'm interested in gender issues and child safety.
>> NATALIE: Hi, I'm Natalie from Hong Kong. I'm interested in gender equality.
>> MELVIN LOWE: I'm Melvin Lowe from Hong Kong, China and I'm interested in the privacy of the Internet.
>> I'm from Hong Kong. I'm also interested in privacy of the Internet.
>> Hi. From Argentina and I'm interested in cyber security.
>> Hi. My name is (inaudible) and I'm from Venezuela and I'm here for cyber security.
>> BEN: My name is Ben from the Philippines and I'm interested in public access.
>> NELSON: Hi. My name is Nelson and I'm from Colombia and I'm interested in privacy and Internet things, like all the stuff.
>> Hi, I'm from Mexico City, and I'm interested in eCommerce and net neutrality.
>> Hi. I'm from Monterrey, Mexico. I'm interested in cyber security and network management.
>> OCEAN: My name is Ocean from the United States, and I want to talk about general freedom of speech.
>> Hi. I'm from America. I'm interested in privacy issues.
>> Hello. I come from Italy and I'm 12 years old and I also want to talk about privacy issues.
>> JOSIAH: Good morning. I'm Josiah from Hong Kong and I'm interested in rights, especially rights for children and privacy and safety on the Internet.
>> Hello. I'm from Mexico, and I'm interested in eCommerce and personal data.
>> I'm from Colombia. I'm interested in about human rights and participation in the Internet.
>> JOSE: Hi. I'm Jose from Mexico. (Speaking in Spanish)
>> Hi. I'm from Chile and I'm interested in youth participation in building the policy of the future.
>> ALBERTO: Hello, everyone. I'm Alberto from (inaudible).
>> I was going to talk a little bit but now I'm interested in the 12‑year‑old in the country interested in privacy.
>> Hi. I'm from Armenia, and I'm interested in (inaudible).
>> Hello. I'm from Monterrey, Mexico, and (inaudible). (Speaking in Spanish)
>> MARY: I'm Mary, interested in privacy issues and freedom of expression.
>> Hi I'm interested in (inaudible).
>> I'm from Ghana and I'm interested in Internet access and connectivity.
>> Hi, from Zimbabwe and access to connectivity and local content.
>> Hi. I'm interested about the development of the Internet.
>> Hi. I'm based in Shanghai, China and I'd like to talk about invasion of privacy on social media and the developments of the ‑‑ the Internet dominance in China.
>> Hello. I'm from Asia.
>> I'm from Canada and I'm interested in Internet governance education.
>> Hi I'm interested in technology policy and connectivity.
>> JUAN PEDRO: Hello. I'm Juan Pedro and I come from Portugal. I would say Internet child safety.
>> I'm from Turkey, and I'm interested in cyber security, data privacy and Internet children and safety.
>> THOMAS: I'm Thomas. I'm from America, and I'm interested in privacy and trust I don't know line. I'm interested in human rights and youth participation in Internet governments.
>> I'm from Mexico, too, and I'm interested in human rights, privacy and data protection.
>> Hi. I'm from Brazil and interested in privacy.
>> ANNA: I'm Anna from Brazil and I'm interested in privacy and data protection and IOT.
>> Hello. I'm from Hong Kong. This is my first time here. I'm interested to meet I.T. smart people.
>> Hello. I'm from Bella Russ and I'd like to talk about issues especially freedom of speech.
>> JONAS: Hi. I'm Jonas from Brazil. I'm interested in Internet things and inclusion.
>> Hi. I'm from (inaudible).
>> Hi. I'm from Brazil, and I'm interested in education, governance of Internet, human rights, and gender equality.
>> THOMAS: Hi. My name is Thomas. (inaudible).
>> Hi. I'm from Brazil. I want to learn about connectivity and human rights.
>> I'm from Colombia. My interest is the efficiency of the Internet.
>> I'm from the Dominican Republic and I'm interested in cyber security and neutrality.
>> I'm from Mexico and I'm interested in internal relation and IP.
>> Hi. I'm from Trinidad and Tobago.
>> Hi. I'm from Colombia. I'm interested in Internet security and Internet things. Thank you.
>> Hi. I'm from Colombia, and my interests are in net neutrality.
>> Hi, everyone. I'm from the Dominican Republic. I'm interested to the rights and privacy.
>> Hello. Everybody. I'm really interested to talk about the initiatives on Internet governance.
>> Hi. I'm from Mexico, and I'm interested in the Internet and cyber security.
>> Good morning. I'm Terrell from the U.S. and I'm interested in building the next generation of Internet leaders.
>> Hello. I come from Mexico City, and we talk about privacy and other issues.
>> Hello. I'm from Paraguay, and I'm also interested in youth participation.
>> CHRIS: Hi. I'm Chris. I'm from China, and I'm interested in children's engagement in IG policy‑making as well as IG education for children.
>> I'm interested in (inaudible).
>> MODERATOR CHRIS: No, no. Go ahead.
>> I'm from Brazil, and I'm interested in technology and the networks.
>> MODERATOR CHRIS: Did we get everybody? I don't know if you saw that. Did everyone ‑‑ did we get to hear from everyone? Yeah? Okay. Wow. What were some themes that came up?
>> Cyber security.
>> MODERATOR CHRIS: What else?
>> MODERATOR CHRIS: Youth, privacy, freedom of expression, child safety, Internet access, inclusion. Local content and connectivity. Net neutrality, human rights. Oh, yeah. Are we in the right space?
>> MODERATOR CHRIS: Are you in the right room?
>> MODERATOR CHRIS: Okay. Good. Now that I've got your energy up, let me just break your heart a little bit. Today you're going to have to make tough decisions. The thing that makes these small group conversations work is they remain small. If you see a privacy conversation with 30 people, we're going to want to split that up into at least three groups.
Or better yet, we're going to actually want to go ahead and go to your second choice. The way we're going to start this morning is we have ten volunteers who are going to host the first round of conversations. These are not the only conversations. I guess they will be repeated. We're going to be doing two rounds of small group conversations this morning. What's going to happen is we're going to jump right into the first conversation.
It's going to be 45 minutes long, and then we're going to take a break. After break, we're going to come back and hear the report back from each conversation, just one or two major really beautiful ideas or thoughts. It's not going to be the long, long report back. And then we're going to go into our second conversation.
The second round, if you want to host a conversation, you will have the space to do that. This first round I want us to just try and see how we do for the first round. The second round conversation, you can get and say, I want to specifically talk about how to engage youth between 12 and 16 years old.
If you have one or two other people, that's perfect. The smaller the conversation often the better. Does that make sense? Are you still in the right room?
>> MODERATOR CHRIS: Doesn't that sound appeals? You all are professors, you know. Roll those shoulders and take a deep breath. Get those ears. You ready to listen? You're doing a great job. This is hard. Up on your toes. Yeah. Let's get in our bodies. Uh‑huh. Nice.
Now, a couple things. It's going to be a little bit of an interesting challenge. I know you have valuables in your bag. You have things that are important to you. So when we break out, what I want you to do is take the time to get the things important to you and, you know, get them when you go to your group. Does that make sense? I'm going to invite our volunteers who have offered to host a session here to come on up on the stage, just come on. Let's give some snaps. Yeah? And now let's get some applause proper. Make some noise.
>> MODERATOR CHRIS: Okay. So the beauty is what I would like to see later this morning is you up here and in afternoon. We're going to keep going. We start with this first round with our volunteers. These folks are fellows and ambassadors, Internet Society ambassadors with a lot of experience and were here last year and a little familiar with this methodology in the conference. Quickly introduce your name and an invitation to come with you. Just stay here, though. Make sure you turn around so everyone can see you and associate the name with what you are going to talk about. Does that make sense? All right.
>> Hi, everybody. Again. I'm Michael, and I'm going to be speaking ‑‑ our group will talk about the sustainable development goals and how they relate to development.
>> Hi, everyone. I'm Ivy. If you want your voice to be heard on the Internet platform, join me in the youth and IG discussion.
>> Hello. I'm Anya and today I speak about community connectivity and networks, solutions designed for people living in isolated and rural areas and Internet service providers that charge additional fees to avoid and networks developed by people and for the people. Join me. Thank you.
>> Hi. Today we'll be talking about the ICANN and the transition and what you think changes and how the future looks. Love to have you here.
>> Hi. My group will be talking about accessing and using the Internet in politically oppressive and restrict societies. I'm leaving it out from here because it's too long. Coming from Turkey, I don't know if you heard about everything. We think it's important for governments or groups not to oppress the Internet, the flow of information, freedom of expression. Please join me and let's talk about it.
>> Hello, everyone. I'm Adrian, and join me to have a discussion on privacy, data protection, the right to be forgotten or the value of big data. We'll address the conversation depending on everyone's interests, of course. Feel free to join me. Thanks.
>> Hi, everyone. I'm a little vertically challenged. I'm Ashel, and join me to talk about neutrality.
>> I'm Andre, and I'm facilitating the group talking about cyber security. You'll be doing the talking and not me.
>> Hi, everyone. I'll be facilitating the discussion on gender. My challenge to everyone in the room apart from the people really interested in gender, could we get the people who are unaware of what gender issues are or think that gender is not really a big deal, come to our station and let's educate each other.
>> Hello, everyone. I'm speaking about leadership basically. So Internet governance to get everyone on the party. We're here to talk about experiences, tactics and how we connect and empower leadership with youth focus. Thank you. Join me, please.
>> MODERATOR CHRIS: Give them a big hand. All right. Okay. How do these topics sound? Conflict of interest. Yes. This is democracy by your feet, right? So I'm going to invite you all ‑‑ everyone stay in here. If you could please scatter yourselves around in this space, go ahead and take your space, and everyone keep here for a minute and think for a second what you want to attend. Yeah. Okay. Make sure you spread out. I know. It's a problem, isn't it?
Everyone, stay here. We're not going yet. We're not going yet. Okay. Raise your hands. Raise your hands. Everyone raise your hand. For what? Okay. The rest of the day while we spend our day together, when you see hands go up, this just means we're going to get the room quiet. When you see a person and group starting to raise their hand, we all raise our hands so the whole room gets quiet so we can make announcements. It's going to be very hard.
A couple things. You know, I come from New York and I talk really fast and sometimes no one can understand me and especially (inaudible). Okay. Some of us with these issues we're very passionate, and we can speak very fast. Today we need to slow it down. Many of us, English is not our first, second or third language. We're asking a lot of our colleagues, and we thank you.
So what I'd like to do, let's all practice, if you see someone talking really fast, what should we do? Make sure to let them know to slow down. We want to hear you. We want to understand. Today is also a day where we don't use jargon. So it's ‑‑ we don't want to say to the I.T. to the G.O. and ABC coalition that went to the FLIA, right? So if we don't understand what someone is saying, I want us to try and do this.
Ready? This means define. We don't want to interrupt conversations. Wait, what are you talking about? Slow down. I can't hear you. We want you to define. Some of us talk really quiet. We talk quiet. We need to ask people to turn up the volume. Can you try that? Just turn it up.
Turn up the volume. Turn up the volume. We'll dance later tonight. It will be good. Okay. Today is going to be a day where you do have to move with your feet. We can't have, as you can tell, a group of 15 people meeting. We can't have 30 people. It won't be a healthy conversation.
So when a group gets to capacity and you see that, I want you to try to move to your second choice. If you find every conversation you want to be part of is too full, come here, and there will be a nice solution to that problem. Facilitators will thank you whether when your group gets 10 to 12 people, we're at capacity.
These conversations will happen again. If you're at capacity, you also could say, hey, I want to talk about this, and you could break off five or seven people that talk about an element of privacy. Does that make sense? Okay. We're going to take these conversations and they go for 45 minutes.
We're going to give some extra time for us to get situated. So when you get in your group, everyone is going to introduce why you're there. We need facilitators that ask for note‑takers and a time‑keeper, all right? I'd like our conversations to ideally end by 10:45. We'll see how that goes. This is flexible. Don't be attached to time. That's my job, and the time‑keepers' jobs.
Once you start your conversation, time‑keepers, 10:45 is the goal to finish. Are we ready? Grab your things and find your conversations and generous facilitators, hold those up. Thanks so much.
(Small group discussions)
>> MODERATOR CHRIS: Oh, thank you. How many of you would like more time? That's great. The good news is we have a whole other conversation after break. So you can have that. Real quick, how many of you got a new idea or an approach to your work? Raise your hand. A new idea or approach to your work, something that's going to improve? Okay. Good. How many of you have identified a conversation you would like to host? Yes, yes. All right. This break what I would like us to do, let's first give a round of applause to our facilitators.
>> MODERATOR CHRIS: It's one of the hardest jobs coming in five minutes before saying, hey, can you host in conversation? They did an amazing job. It was lovely to see. Many of them will return. For facilitators check in with me briefly as we go to break. We'll just meet right here on the stage. For everyone else, we're going to take a 20‑minute break, and there's coffee and tea and snacks. The rest rooms are out to the left, and I'd like us to be back here by 11:05 to get started. Before we go, does each note‑taker know ‑‑ let me see the hands of the note‑takers. Raise them up high. Fantastic.
All right. Now, note-takers, you know that you're going to be reporting back to the whole group when we get back, right? What we want to hear is one or two main highlights from the conversation. For host interested in hosting a conversation, we're going to take a break and come back and do the exact same thing.
We're going to hear topics of conversation. How many of you felt your conversation might have been stronger if there were fewer people? Anybody? It's hard sometimes. 45 minutes. It's a weird question, isn't it? It's not fair. What we'd like is to ideally double the number of conversations. I'd like to see more groups of five and eight people for the next round. If you have a conversation you want to host, please see me during break.
Thank you very much. We will see you at what time? What time?
>> MODERATOR CHRIS: Ten minutes left. Ten minutes left in break. Please get your coffee.
(Small group discussions continue)
>> MODERATOR CHRIS: All right. We're going to go ahead and get started and keep this beautiful train on track. All right. I'm going to invite everybody to stand up. No devices, no computers. Put everything down. Everyone stand up, and you don't need to ‑‑ you're going to stay right there. You don't need to bring anything. We'll put everything down. You don't have to travel anywhere. Stand up. Uh‑huh! You can do it. You can do it. All right. Everybody take a deep breath. Roll those shoulders. Many of you took buses, flew here, got stuck in traffic.
All right. Up on your toes. Arms up. All right. To your right, to your right. The other way. All right. Shake your leg. Shake your leg. Shake it all around. Other leg. You got it. I see you. Your toes want it. Your toes want the movement. I can tell. Roll those shoulders. Nice. Take it to the next level, yeah. All right. Okay. Another last deep breath.
Here we go. There it is. Thank you. We're going to remain standing. Stay standing, because we're going to sit here in a minute. Our note‑takers and report‑back persons, can you come on up, please. Come on up. Let's give them a big round of applause.
>> MODERATOR CHRIS: Nice. Keep it going. Nice. All right. Fantastic. So we're going to remain standing, if you're willing and able. Our friends here, note report‑back folks. Slide all the way over. We want to get you your full power and make sure your documented for all the word to say, I guess. A couple things. When you report back, what we'd like you to do is say your name, what conversation you were part of, right?
And then one to maybe three, maybe as if the world is going to stop spinning, three main things that you want the larger group to be mindful of, right? So we don't want to hear we met, and then we started to talk about this, and then we changed our mind and started to talk about this. No. We want to get a few of the highlights. Does that make sense?
All right. Let's give them some love. This is the hardest job.
>> PARTICIPANT: I'm Gloria, and I was part of the gender issues conversation. We discussed the aspect of men involved in gender issues. We need more men involved. Also, we discussed the mentality, you know, cataloging for genders such as TV shows or toys. Also, we discussed the image of women in video games. It seems little boys tend to (inaudible) they see women how video games display them. Like, for example, they sexualize them. They put them with, you know, like huge body parts just to say it. Yeah, we need to make changes. Thank you.
>> PARTICIPANT: Hello.
>> MODERATOR CHRIS: We're going to hold our applause until the end to save time. Send that loving kindness to the person. You can do that like this, yeah, and send them good vibes. Thank you very much.
>> PARTICIPANT: So I'm from Hong Kong. I'm part of the leadership topic focusing on youth leadership. So what we discussed, we basically summed it up that all of us came from communities with disadvantage, so someone came from a rural place, and I came from a non‑Chinese background in a Chinese‑dominated society and someone came from a developing country. So that's the first point.
The second one is that we find there's a lack of leadership from institutions and governments, so not a lot of support and also a lack of issues and not much for youth in our communities. And there's also an inequality in access to Internet because of socioeconomic backgrounds. The tips we discussed to make leadership more better is to make the language easier to understand by having language diversity and make it accessible to everyone by the costs and having trainings and having a common goal for people to work together.
The type of leaders that we want is a participative leadership to promote Internet governance in our own communities. Lastly, we want to say that if you see something you want to change in your community and no one is doing anything, then you can be the one to start to do something. Thank you.
>> PARTICIPANT: Thank you. Hi I'm from Zimbabwe. I was in the local community creating local community networks and access to connectivity. The main thing that I want to highlight that we spoke about was the need for creating long‑term relationships with the communities you want to create connectivity in. The main point about that was not actually going in and asking about radios and things but actually getting to know them and talking to them about their experiences and then from there understanding how technology can help that community. So creating relationships.
>> PARTICIPANT: Hello, everyone. I'm Roberto. We were talking about cyber security and a number of things. The highlights are cyber security, privacy and design are things that have to go together, not only the design or the device, because when we open the doors there are some things that can be very problematic in the future.
Another thing is that the companies ‑‑ the Internet companies have to build trust with us to make more secure systems and software. The other thing that is very important is the private sectors, public sectors and government have to be more transparent with their efforts about the servers that they are doing with us. Finally, and very important is all the people ‑‑ we have to share cyber security to all that doesn't know about this.
>> PARTICIPANT: Hello. I'm from Portugal. Thinking about what you said, we were discussing privacy. So basically we mentioned there's big data versus privacy problem and where to set the boundaries. We might see privacy as a human right, and the problem here is how to define "privacy."
It's, obviously, the personal concept, but still, there should be a baseline whether it could or not be yours. There's some general worries, even towards government or private sector, because they work alongside it. As has been mentioned, there's different perspectives, different government approaches.
One is more protective and vigilant with massive protection policies in place and implemented. Also, we mentioned that sometimes you're comfortable when you're sharing, but sometimes you don't know what you're really sharing. There's something that should be improved rather from changing the concept of privacy by default to a more your own opinion of what you can or not share. Thank you.
>> PARTICIPANT: I was part of the group doing your government oppression. So I kind of segue off the fact that privacy is necessary for that. It was interesting because going in I was under the assumption that ‑‑ I'll slow down. Sorry. I was under the assumption that oppression comes in many forms, and hearing the groups from Congo, Venezuela, Brazil, Turkey and others, it was easy to see that was true.
For one, shutdowns are different in different countries. Some are able to use VPN and some cannot use VPNs at all. Also, the idea of values in different countries being different. So, for one, Ammon knit in Brazil is not a thing, so indent encryption was fought against. We talked about this and the fact that some countries used aid brute force kind of tactic to take down Internet access. Some were fighting against encryptions and VPNs compromising the technical capacities, but also we talk about how to solve this.
This is where we come to the idea of reliance of offline networks, the fact that we can use shared networks of people instead of the Internet to get information out. Also, reliance on international domains to post information to of blogging against a government, let's say. And then kind of this idea of encryption being more of a necessity.
One of the nicest points we had was what if the public sector came together and advocated for private institutions to put encryption at its highest level. So it's saying if the public sector demanded it, there's a necessity from the private institutions to have data that they might benefit the level in their agenda. I think that was interesting, and it will be interesting to see as the conversation progresses through this week.
>> PARTICIPANT: Hi. I'm Mary from Armenia. Our group discussed the development goals so that we know what they are. There was a development of goals and there are 17 goals. I'll just go through our main points. So we concluded that (inaudible) however they are just goals, and to do the action and to receive this action through education and maybe through communication strategies, especially working with youth, because the (inaudible).
So we have 14 years, and the youth actually will be goal that will benefit more and will the ones that reach these goals. Long‑term we also discussed the importance of exchange and base practices because people are doing a really great job with Internet but we have no idea about each other and the practices. It will be great to have collaboration across different states to spread the word and exchange experience and I think everyone would benefit from it. Also, connecting communities with the same issues is elementary with what I just said.
Also, what is (inaudible) in the language because, in fact, that means that there are a lot of organizations doing important jobs regarding this, but they have no idea they're doing something related to them. This is a good framework to be used for spreading the word and making an impact. Also, diversity was highlighted and making spaces for connecting energies and innovation perhaps if they are ‑‑ if there's any innovation done in any part of the world, they can align these with the needs of the community and align it with the energies. So I think that also is one of the most important points, to be inclusive to have all the stakeholders included in the process. Basically that was it. Thank you.
>> PARTICIPANT: We had youth and Internet issues.
>> PARTICIPANT: Hello, everyone. I'm Josiah from Team Youth, and as I myself am a youth, so I can understand that this subject is very important to not only you guys but also me. So first point is that content of youth. So the content for youth is like the Internet is more than just what the youth use. Facebook, Instagram, and all those social media apps and applications.
It is more, because you don't ‑‑ you can do just more than that. You can educate yourself through Internet. So now more and more schools are using Internet to help their students to learn through that. Also, parents, families and universities should work together to create more interactive and quality content so it can attract the children, and they could spend their time more on educational things than their own useless stuff, yeah. And another thing is about to my own experience, adults can also be a better role model for children, because maybe ‑‑ let's say children can know how to use a phone through adults, because we can see everyone on the street on their phones, especially adults, and maybe they can learn like how to use a phone and through their parents also and their families they can ‑‑ if they see their, let's say, their dad using the phone while eating dinner, they can also go, look, it's my dad.
He's using a phone while he's eating dinner. I can also use my phone while eating dinner. That would be a bad example. Adults also should be a role model for children. Thank you.
>> PARTICIPANT: I will just say two things. Use this active energy against the youth and Internet governance issues. (inaudible). Girls all ages. This participation goes to the (inaudible) for the Internet and developing the Internet. Thank you.
>> PARTICIPANT: Hello, everyone. I'm Laura from Colombia. We were discussing neutrality. We reached three conclusions. The first one is that neutrality protects competition and it is important for competition between ISBs, Internet service providers, and between appear indication services and content.
Second, we discussed the rating. We kind of reached the conclusion that it's not inherently there, but it depends on the competition of the market and it depends on the actions of the regulator. About the regulation. We talked about the lack of regulation can do harm because the market cannot regulate itself.
Too much regulation can impede innovation. Also, we talked and said that this is necessary to be settled principles in our interpretive neutrality. Like user choice, for example, and finally we talked about statistics because maybe sometimes they can be flawed, and they can ‑‑ for example, they can take the wrong data to arrive to some conclusions. We need ‑‑ in your data about how many people goes from limited Internet to a complete Internet, for example, in terms of your rating. We need to do more ‑‑ we need to know more about how Internet service providers are managing their resources in order to know if their traffic management is fair or it's not fair and that those were our conclusions.
>> PARTICIPANT: I'm representing my group. We discussed the transition. The first point was the transition from the U.S. government to stay in a controlled environment. It was important whether the jurisdiction is still important and the question was asked, so what? So what if the jurisdictions in the U.S. come into another country? Have we addressed the transition?
The point was reached that although the governance is more important than the physical use, so you have (inaudible). That wasn't as important as the actual utilization. We discussed the public and private sector interests and the anatomy of those two are still being addressed as of yet. We discussed the (inaudible). We addressed the accountability and we discussed the issue of accountability in the United Nations and similar bodies should look at.
We looked at whether the modesty core model is working or if there is a better model or if there is something between the stakeholders. Thank you.
>> MODERATOR CHRIS: Let's give them a big round of applause. That's a lot of work.
>> MODERATOR CHRIS: All right. That sounded fun. You're welcome to sit down if you want. Thank you. Now you're really going to want to shake them out.
So what we're going to do is we're going to get into our next group conversations. A couple new additions. We have some flip chart paper up here. That's a big, piece of white paper and we have beautiful markers, so each facilitator will take a piece of paper with them and a marker, and that's going to be our report back ‑‑ primary way to report back from these sessions.
So we can run down three to five elements. Can I get a volunteer to share what I just said? Anyone?
>> AUDIENCE: We're going to write that on the big white paper with the colorful markers.
>> MODERATOR CHRIS: Sometimes you hear my voice, and you're like, whatever. This is kind of important. As you can tell, we're going to have more conversations, and it's going to be hard to get the full ‑‑ this is going to be ‑‑ we're going to get a gallery here to encapsulate some lessons. Does that sound good? Yes. Awesome. Now, are you waiting for the next round? All right. All those who are willing and able to host a conversation, please come up to the stage. Look at them rise, our generous hosts are coming. Please take a stand. Great job.
Look at this line‑up everybody. Come on in. Now, just an opening. Is anyone thinking maybe I want to host a conversation. I'm not sure. Anyone out there? Okay. I want to invite you to stand right here.
This is what we call facilitated peer pressure. Come on over here. If you're just on the fence, it's okay. We're just going to acknowledge you for a moment. Let's give these folks a hand right here real quick, okay?
>> MODERATOR CHRIS: Let's give a lot of love before we have him come on.
>> MODERATOR CHRIS: Okay. Folks, quickly give your name and an invitation so people know. In this round as we move the discussions forward, the more specific we can be the better. If it's Internet privacy related issues, make sure you have it.
>> PARTICIPANT: For the third time today I'm Andrea coming from Serbia and I invite you to talk about security and privacy in repressive regimes.
>> PARTICIPANT: I'm Victor from Venezuela, and I wanted to talk or I invite you talk to how we make a stronger offline connection so we can use the Internet better to fight oppression. Thank you.
>> PARTICIPANT: I'm Gloria, and I'd like to talk with some of you about accessibility to RCT for people with disabilities. How people use it, and how can we support people to use it more? Thanks.
>> PARTICIPANT: I'm Tracy. Please come and talk about inclusion for regions and communities such as (inaudible) the aged, communities with communities that serve the poor, islands.
>> PARTICIPANT: Hi everybody. Join me for a discuss ion on online harassment and tools to fight it.
>> PARTICIPANT: Please discuss me to talk about invasion of privacy on social media networks.
>> PARTICIPANT: I'm Michael. We're talking about inclusive and sustainable growth, but yet nobody is mentioning climate change at all. So I want to talk specifically about the interrelationship between Internet and climate change.
>> PARTICIPANT: Hi, I'm Raymond. I want to talk about social (inaudible). If you want, you can come. Thanks.
>> PARTICIPANT: Thank you. Perfect. (inaudible). They feel the Internet is safe, but what are the best practices to make sure that the Internet is safe. What do you do to keep yourself away from all those things you can find online, especially with the (inaudible). Thank you.
>> PARTICIPANT: My name is Susan, and I would like to invite you to have a conversation about getting people to know that the Internet is not just Facebook, because like this (inaudible).
>> PARTICIPANT: I want to invite you to a conversation about free trade really works and how the new Internet providers engage like Uber and something like that. And the economy.
>> MODERATOR CHRIS: Any questions or clarifications for any of these? Anyone? No. Okay. On social media, I want to invite you, too, those interested and we'll probably split up into two groups there. We'll let that go for now.
A couple of things. We're going to speak ‑‑ you know what, before just last‑minute, anybody want to host a conversation? Anyone? Okay. Come on done. ‑‑ come on down. You got to be quick.
>> PARTICIPANT: I'm Maureen. I wanted to talk about the relation in the new ways of our economies, like we're having problems in Colombia for the use of Uber.
I'm not expert in policy, but I think that we need to get some conclusions on some policies that allow people to make their business online without the high risk with the country.
>> MODERATOR CHRIS: Is that similar to what you speak of? I'll invite you two and you separate if there's interest. What's an observation here? What's different than last time? A lot of conversations. Hopefully we're going to have some those small conversations. I want to go where your heart and mind drive you, and we'll see how it goes. You want to host a conversation?
>> PARTICIPANT: Hi. I would like to have a conversation on quality styles. I like that we have much more young people here than the last time I was here four years ago, but I would like to talk about what it means to us and who it would relate to.
>> MODERATOR CHRIS: He has a very similar topic, and I'll connect you with him. Different? So it is different? I'm getting ‑‑ different. Fantastic. Yes. Another one. Oh, it's getting nice. This is what I like to see.
(Speaking in foreign language)
>> PARTICIPANT: Hi. I would like to invite people to talk about how can you talk the IGF conversations back to our communities. Where we come from and who we came to represent, and how do we get people to care and participate and give us inputs for when we come to IGF.
>> PARTICIPANT: I'm from Mexico. We're talking about privacy and we create them in Spanish. I'm not sure about speaking English or you want to talk about privacy in Spanish. So the Spanish privacy.
(Speaking in foreign language)
>> MODERATOR CHRIS: Well the conversation is only in Spanish. The topic is learning with youth that's the topic. Okay. Wow, this is exciting. Are you ready? Okay. I want to invite ‑‑ go all the way up and walk all the way up. Walk almost all the way up. You get the idea. You get the idea.
Go all the way up. Stay here and see it. You're good here? You're good here. We'll invite from here. Okay. Beautiful. Do you know where you're going? Raise your hand if you know what topic you're going to. Okay. Almost everybody. Good. And if you are confused, you can come and meet me here, and we'll make sure to find a group. Facilitators, let's give them a big round of applause.
>> MODERATOR CHRIS: These conversations with going to go into 12:30, 45 minutes, and find your group. Facilitators, I'll bring you the white piece of paper and markers so you can just staple it. Find your group.
If you can hear me, raise your hand. One moment. We have time. Here's what we need to do. If you have finished with your groups, we want to get your notes up here, and once you're done have a seat close to the stage.
We're going to do a few logistic announcements and then we'll take lunch. Don't leave the space. You have another five minutes to do your notes. Come up here.
>> MODERATOR CHRIS: Thank you so much. Okay. This is the arc of what's happening in the next 15 minutes. Step one is I'm going to invite everybody Tom down here ‑‑ not right now. That's just step 1. Step 2, we're going to talk about what's happening in the afternoon. Then step 3, we're going to go get some food. It's going to be lovely.
So what I'd like you to do is make your way down here. There's no crazy rush, but just come on down. Those still writing, let's try to finish those last beautiful thoughts. We'll get everybody down here, and I'd like you to stand and take a look at your colleagues, what's going on here. We're going to reflect on these notes. You do need to rise and come on down.
>> MODERATOR CHRIS: All right. We're going to get started. Everybody come on in. We're going to get comfortable once again. Will the people on the stairs come on down. We'll make room for you. Don't you frown. It's okay. We will dance. There you go. All right. So what I'd like to do, we're just going to take a few minutes. These are going to stay up, and we're going to have time to be able to read.
What I'd like to do right now is if you were part of a conversation where someone, not yourself, very important, this is not a time for you to take the floor and say, now I can tell everybody what I think about this issue. I'd like you to give an appreciation if someone in your group ‑‑ you came up with something that was like, wow. That is changing how I work, the way I'm thinking, did anybody have that in their group?
A few. A few. Okay. I'm going to pass this microphone around. We're going to hear some of those. I saw your hand first.
>> PARTICIPANT: I realize education is not only for people over ten years. I realize education is not only for children that are 10 years old. In my group, I heard about a girl working with children for six years to 14. It's about IT issues and using the Internet. That changed my way of thinking.
>> MODERATOR CHRIS: What about over here? Did anybody have something to help them think differently or improve their work? Are we feeling afraid right now, or was this last hour totally a waste of your life?
>> PARTICIPANT: I think in my group we're looking at outreach. One of the things that was highlighted is identifies IGF Internet champions, and that's something that we really think about. People that can go out and take ‑‑ are already active in the space and become active within their communities.
>> PARTICIPANT: In my group it reinforced the Internet empowered us to make a change. We talk about legislation and how, you know, the rules are outdated and they only deal with like cybercrime and harassment, and one of the main things was that creating public opinion and actually a conversation around these things does make a change. It just reinforces that the Internet is really a power driver of change.
>> PARTICIPANT: I think when we're dealing with child safety as one of the goals, and one of the important things is when we advise young people to (inaudible). They need to come to schools with this with the younger people with younger brothers and sisters. We have to remember the Internet when they show us what's going on so they can come to you and ask for advice. So be open and friendly with the younger ones so they can (inaudible).
>> PARTICIPANT: We were working on the group with the privacy with Spanish.
(Speaking in Spanish)
>> PARTICIPANT: We talked about that, learning the Internet in Spanish.
(Speaking in Spanish)
>> PARTICIPANT: Hi. (inaudible).
(Speaking in Spanish)
>> PARTICIPANT: Okay. I participated in two different topics. Both of them were in English, so I'm going to speak English. I think that the first step is education. If you do education, you could have the best relations with this application with everything you want. When you see education, you don't have a response. (inaudible). So we need to focus your education to create a better Code of Conduct with the Internet. Thank you.
>> PARTICIPANT: In my group I learned about ‑‑ I learned that some global problems actually cannot have global solutions. So global problems need to (inaudible) every country is different.
>> PARTICIPANT: Hi. My friend was talking about how important it is to educate people. How we were discussing today about eCommerce in my group is that we also need to educate the government. The government doesn't know about technology changes, and the kind of regulation, the kind of things they are releasing are not ‑‑ are nothing about technology.
They're thinking on the ‑‑ keeping on the ‑‑ all these themes and all these knowledges and applying them to the new world, to the new generation and all that. That's why you can see our ‑‑ yes. That one in the black mark there. Our basic question that maybe you can have, and because we don't have answers, each of us has an answer on their mind, but no one knows if it's correct or not.
We want you to think about regulation and why we need to regulation and who needs to be regulated and how we need that to regulation. There are many on education and in many, many aspects. It's just that. Thank you.
>> MODERATOR CHRIS: Those are good. Do you have some things? A few more?
>> PARTICIPANT: When we talk about climate change and Internet governance, it very, very impulsive. We highlighted that there's no topic for the idea for this week regarding climate change. We're talking about access. There are millions of people who have Internet, and for that we need Internet and devices and means more resources.
How do we deal with access and climate changes given that we have new sources ‑‑ we are going to cause an impact by giving access? So that was incredibly important to us. How can we ‑‑ how can we foster industry to design the devices, for example, that are re‑useable and last longer or how can modems be communityized. Each of us needs one division, so we can use one device for a lot of people.
We also talked about, for example, (inaudible) that are ‑‑ like the new position for our climate change. So we just thought that they didn't have a voice in this meeting, for example. So, yeah, it was amazing. Thank you.
>> MODERATOR CHRIS: All right. Let's give everyone who was a facilitator of these conversations and offered to host, can you please your hand? Let's give them some love. Thank you.
(Cheers and applause)
>> MODERATOR CHRIS: Now, all of our note‑takers, really beautiful job here. Let's give them some snaps and thanks. Yes.
>> MODERATOR CHRIS: We're going to leave this up. A quick question. Don't worry. We are going to lunch. We're not keeping you here. The lunch has not opened yet, so it's not open but it will be in a few moments. What I need right now is we will take a break from 1:00 to 2:30. Usually at these events there's a long line and logistics. We need to start back at what time? One more time?
>> PARTICIPANT: 2:30.
>> MODERATOR CHRIS: That's right. That's 1430 for those in that mindset. This won't be a successful afternoon if we don't start together. We need to bring everyone back. Who is interested in hosting a conversation in the afternoon? We'll have one more conversation in the afternoon after lunch.
Can I get a show of hands of who wants to host a conversation? Okay. We have two. That's good. Thank you. Anybody else? Three. Who would like ‑‑ this is five. It's like an auction. It's an auc